“To protect (Phillis Morris & only allow menthol…) the public health by providing the Food and Drug Administration with certain authority to regulate tobacco products…”
Yesterday, I walked into my local store that is basically the only one that sells Djarum Blacks and wanted to buy my delicious clove cigarette. Quick skinny on me? I’m a VERY casual smoker. I have been known to only smoke one cigarette a year, or recently, one cigarette a month. Why? I enjoy the nicotine high. It’s a fantastic, relaxing feeling and occasionally I just enjoy partaking in that. I am a very healthy individual despite my asthma (har…), but I haven’t had an attack in 3 years at this point. So, I am not a hardcore smoker and never will be. I loathe menthol cigarettes. They cut my throat up, causing me to feel like I have a throat infection for days, and they taste absolutely horrible. So Djarum were a great alternative because I would never, ever smoke menthol. What was I shocked to find? The ban included cloves as a “flavored cigarette”. One, I was shocked, because I wouldn’t consider Djarums flavored cigarettes. It’s just a different ingredient, not necessarily a chemical additive like you’d find in grape cigarettes or those variety of sticks that are also aweful.
So my immediate reaction was to be very, very angry. Come home … and look at why my beloved cigarettes can no longer be sold.
I’m obviously late on this discovery because this bill was passed;
Apr 2, 2009: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The totals were 298 Ayes, 112 Nays, 21 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.
Jun 11, 2009: This bill passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals were 79 Ayes, 17 Nays, 3 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.
However, I didn’t even realize it as I was living in Connecticut at the time and they were selling Djarum Blacks still. I had heard of the bill of course, but I was under a complete false assumption. My fault, in fact.
Now, only the “sale and distribution” of these cigarettes are banned. I can still in fact order them online from anywhere else in the world. Ignore that it will cost me a pretty penny. I want to know though, I want to know what makes these cigarettes so dangerous in comparison to menthol.
According to a comment from a user:
Update 10-10-2009: I ordered 3 cartons from overseas, only to be notified by customs in Ohio, that my package was going to be sent back because it was illegal to order cloves and have them brought into the states!
I went to the INTERWEBZ!!@@ to find this out.
I found an entire list of cigarettes and their contents here. What was shocking is that towards the bottom of that list you had amounts that exceeded the Cloves and are still able available for sale. In fact, Djarum Black at 10 mg of tar and 1 mg of nicotine are almost comparable to a pack of Marlboro which have 10 mg of tar, and .8mg of nicotine. There are no serious differences between the Kreteks (Djarum Blacks) and the disgusting menthols that Phillis Morris produces or various other cigarettes. Kreteks also do not contain the hundreds of other chemical additivies that cigarettes like Phillip Morris’s have. Not to say they are better for you, but they are far from the worse.
I have read things saying that Kreteks like Djarum Black have MORE nicotine and tar, but after reading the actual statistics, that’s obviously far from true and someone pulling things out of thin air. Lets not distort the numbers, shall we?
So what have we established? Cloves really aren’t that much worse for you. By no means are they good for you, but there is no significant difference between Cloves and Menthols. So I’m begging the question, “WHY ARE THEY BANNED?”
I’m outraged. I’m angry. I can still smoke them, yes, but after I pay the cost to have them imported. It’s not a BAN on smoking them, it’s a ban on selling them. It’s a ban that says, “Well, you could if you really wanted to, but it’s going to cost you a lot — so why not just buy the cigarettes close to home? Like this pack of Marlboros!”
I feel absolutely powerless to change what has happened as well. There isn’t a demand for kreteks. So people will continue on not caring as things around them become illegal, narrowing their choices until it’s a replica of 1984. Perhaps that is a bit extreme, but I’m awaiting to see what is next…
08/30/2009 at 2:44 pm
We’ll i have a bit of good news i’ve heard from my local tabacco store that there banned to sell flavored cigerattes. so there going to start makeing djarum black into cigars then we will be able to by our uniqe tabacco!
09/01/2009 at 11:29 am
I believe they already have them.
“Djarum Special Box Filtered Clove Cigars”
I’m sure they’ll expand the collection to market to the American population, but it’s just not the same!
09/05/2009 at 6:16 pm
Great site…keep up the good work.
09/08/2009 at 7:22 pm
So, then, you can imagine my surprise at learning this only today? My husband called me at the office to say he could not find any Djarum Specials anywhere. I thought he was crazy! That’s all we smoke (okay, yes, to all the others I know I shouldn’t smoke – but it’s not Obama’s job to save me!!!). None…anywhere….I have two packs left. I can’t smoke regular cigarettes, either and certainly not menthol. Sure, I’d like to quit, but at the point in time I want to do it. Not this week just because of Obama. I’m a little teed off at the moment! (And, hopefully you won’t mind that I chose your blog to vent, but it seemed you would understand.)
If he goes after my Starbucks frappuccinos next I’m going to have to leave the country!
09/09/2009 at 12:00 pm
Not much tar, but definetly has more fiberglass….
09/09/2009 at 8:24 pm
Djarum cigars taste nothing like the cigarettes
09/10/2009 at 8:18 pm
I just heard the news. After switching from special lights to special, and now this? I guess I’ll be buying all I can till the ban goes into effect, then consider quiting or buying overseas,,, Canada, here I come.
09/15/2009 at 11:43 pm
This sucks… All i smoke is cloves.. I tried smoking regular cigarettes like marlboro lights but it was too weak. then i tried newports and that was just plain harsh.. i’ve been looking around everywhere, but no one has Djarums anymore..
hopefully soon i can convince my cousins from indonesia to send me back a few cartons.. ahh that be heaven for me..lol
/rant.
09/17/2009 at 1:49 pm
Hey, people, we’re still in America and thaqt makes us Americans. What would a true American do if unable to buy his tobacco product of choice? Duh. Grow his own.
Perfectly legal and is a good exercise in being American. What, cloves only grow in Indonesia? You can probably make a better and less unhealthy blend after a few experimental blendings.
Oh. and your welcome for the reminder.
09/17/2009 at 2:13 pm
I am also very confused and angry about the ban. I’ve been a smoker for 16 years, a heavy smoker for 11 years, a Djarum smoker for 4 years. I used to have the “smoker’s cough” majority of the time and wake up coughing every morning. Then I found my love for Djarums. I don’t have the cough anymore, I’m not out of breath when I walk anymore, I never wake up coughing anymore. More dangerous? I’ve never seen any kids smoking Djarums, most people in their 20’s don’t even know what they are.
This ban is bullshit and I’m pissed.
09/20/2009 at 1:22 pm
@Heaven: Well now you know why! Eugenol is definitely a great by product of the cloves.
@tone: Perhaps if I had the time + space
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09/21/2009 at 5:28 pm
I am so pissed. No clove. Whatsoever. This is America? Banning one type of “flavored” cigarette but not all? I guess I’ll just have to take a day off work and drive to Canada (a 3 hour drive) and stock up. This is total BS. Why not just take it that much farther and ban all GD cigarettes. It’s pure fascism. So much for our individual freedom (not to mention consumer) rights. I guess our wise Congressmen know what’s best for us. My French blood wants me to revolt in the streets!
09/21/2009 at 5:30 pm
Did I mention I want to revolt? I am so angry at big government getting into MY BIZNESS!
09/22/2009 at 3:33 pm
I read of parents that favor this ban say that they don’t want their kids to smoke. Here is a good ol’ cliche for you: BE A PARENT AND DO YOUR JOB!
Teach your children the dangers of smoking. Don’t make us lose something we enjoy. WTF happened to this country?
Hmmm, why didn’t Obama and the black caucus ban menthol cigarettes?
09/22/2009 at 7:15 pm
I totally know where yall are coming from, I smoke the clove lights and i was kind of upset when i found out I couldn’t get them anymore…from what i was told they are stopping selling “flavored cigarettes” to cut back on underage smoking…which in my opinion is just BULL! If a kid wants to smoke he/she is going to find a way to do it, and it has nothing to do with “flavored” or not…
09/22/2009 at 8:12 pm
You do realize that the Obama administration is only beginning in their control of what we can and cannot do. First our Clove ciggies and then menthols (yeah) and who knows???? We are already being told that we “have” to have health insurance or be fined! (New reform,revision 287) Wake up AMERICA!!!! Do we really want to become a facist country? Do you want to lose your Freedom of speech, religion, right to bear arms? Don’t let it happen and become an “Eastern block country”.
True, smoking is not good for our health, but it is OUR RIGHT TO CHOOSE!!!! And I choose not to substitute my clove ciggies for second rate crap!
09/22/2009 at 11:04 pm
OK, I’d just like to point out a fact I gleaned long ago from the Daily Show’s “America: the Book”: the executive branch is not responsible for writing laws. Congress passed this law because they want to please their constituents with teenage children. What does the “facist” Obama administration have to do with that?
All the same, including cloves in the ban — which most new smokers seem to decry as harsher rather than tastier than the whites — does seem a convenient method of shutting out the Indonesian competition in favor of quick-burning Camels and Marlboros.
09/22/2009 at 11:19 pm
Congress tried to pass the same bill when GW was in power. Guess what? George W vetoed the bill. Obama agreed with it and allowed the FDA to regulate tobacco. Just another step in the control process.
Look out you cigar lovers, you are next!
09/23/2009 at 11:15 am
i just want to take this time to proudly say that i never believed the obama hype. :-d but really guys, bitching isn’t going to change anything. standing up and saying “no” might though.
there’s a huge difference between the words complacent and happy. which one are you?
09/23/2009 at 12:20 pm
Hi Dingleberry, love the name!
No I am not bitching, I am stating facts and love a good debate. I am also involved in the Tea Party revolution to take back OUR country.
I became a US Citizen in 2000 and am formerly from Canada. Been through gov’t controlled health care, taxing the hell out of us to pay for it (7% Goods and Services tax ((GST)) above a provincial tax of 8%), told us that we have to watch, read and listen to 90%+ Canadian content for TV, music, magazines, commercials(100%), etc.
The United States is the best country in the world when it comes to ‘FREEDOM OF CHOICE”. So why do US citizens sit on their tushies, bitch and complain, and not stand up for their rights?
“Why is it called common sense, when it is not common” Mark Twain
By the way, the Canadian government lowered taxes on tobacco products because there was a surge in robberys for cigarettes.
09/23/2009 at 1:32 pm
I wouldn’t really call it “bitching” per say. Blogs/articles are a medium to receive information and in turn to discuss the information at hand. So my philosophy is “bitch away” for a lack of better words.
It allows for a medium of communication across a platform for which there are those who agree (or disagree) and the implications that a law like this creates (or is creating).
I do not blame just Obama. He is just a man who has given up menthol (supposedly) and supported the bill. Equivalently at fault was the 80% in the senate and the 69% in the House of Representatives.
It was an entire coup, if you will. The rights of smokers has been slowly dwindling and being taken away and some I have understood and others I did not care because I was not affected, a dangerous mind set of course.
Now I realize just how far reaching these bills are becoming that even though I am merely a casual smoker, the claws have been stuck into me and that’s quite shocking, really.
I agree that something must be done, but we have been put in a very awkward position. I’m a college student and 98% of my time is already consumed and frequently 110% (if that’s possible). I get on average 2 hours of sleep and I am one of the affected — yet I have much demanded of me and so much to lose ( for instance: choices, ironically ) that my battles are limited and I am a incapable resource. However, look at other people’s lives… it’s the same way. We’ve been undoubtedly used like cattle to support the “economic machine” and while our rights dwindle, it’s hard to get up and fight. It’s so easy to say it, but in reality, look at how much you will give up in the name of a cigarette should you refocus? Is it worth it? In my opinion, at this moment, no, even knowing the future implications.
The US Gov. is large and it feels like there is no way to put your hands into the inner workings of the vast bureaucracy. A task to large, but I have merely devised that I must shorten the task and write my Senators. Coincidentally — the one who approved, yay. That honestly feels, though, like I’ve accomplished nothing.
09/23/2009 at 4:18 pm
FYI- the ban had nothing to do with greater risks of smoking flavored cigarettes and cloves. They banned them because children/teens are more likely to start smoking these products than conventional cigarettes, and serve as a “gateway” smoke.
09/23/2009 at 6:52 pm
Unfortunately, I had just run out of Djarum Specials and found out this went into effect yesterday when I went to buy them…..the store sold me “Djarum Supersmooth” that was remaining but they are NOT the same and now I cannot find Djarum Specials anywhere, even though I read in a few places that Sept 30 was the actual cut off.
Is there ANYWHERE that will still sell Djarum Specials over the counter that anyone knows of in the Los Angeles or Orange County CA areas? I’ll even try the cigars.
It is still possible to order Kreteks online so long as it is from another country and they are not intended for sale or distribution, so that’s what I am doing. I don’t want all the chemicals that Altria adds to their cigarettes…..
09/24/2009 at 12:20 am
im a heavy djarum smoker, my personal favorite being bali’s. ive been smoking djarums for a year now, and can say that i have enjoyed each new djarum more than the last, and now i come to find that our president has banned the one thing in the world that i can smoke and enjoy. any other brand of cigarette now is just plain nasty to me. i feel like my rights are being stepped on here.
if anyone knows a way to fight this ban or other bans like this please contact me. i want my bali hai’s back…
09/24/2009 at 6:00 pm
hkhlomz- Thank you,khubotl.Great site.
09/24/2009 at 9:26 pm
Hey. Im a guess im late on this but ive been over in Italy for a couple months.
I was wondering when this ban go into affect any way. Cuz im defiantly gonna stock up.
If im to late im gonna HAVE to buy over sea’s which would blow .
09/25/2009 at 9:21 am
spencer, the ban took effect 21.09.2009
to add to this debate, i promise you this is nothing more than Phillip Morris’s doing. I’m going to miss my cloves very much, because I just enjoyed the flavor rather than the nicotine. I’m sure there’s ways around the ban, just need to figure out how to do it as cheap as possible.
09/25/2009 at 2:52 pm
Apparently Djarum is coming out with “Cigars” with cloves. I’m not to sure yet, or if its just a rumor.
09/25/2009 at 3:57 pm
Here’s the Federal Register article that was posted today regarding the ban on flavored cigarettes effective 09/22/09
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Food and Drug Administration
[Docket No. FDA-2009-N-0449]
Enforcement of General Tobacco Standard Special Rule for Cigarettes
AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.
ACTION: Notice.
SUMMARY: The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the act), as amended by the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (FSPTCA), establishes a tobacco standard special rule for cigarettes. This special rule for cigarettes prohibits a cigarette or any of its component parts (including the tobacco, filter, or paper) from containing, as a constituent (including a smoke constituent) or additive, an artificial or natural flavor (other than tobacco or menthol) or an herb or spice, including strawberry, grape, orange, clove, cinnamon, pineapple, vanilla, coconut, licorice, cocoa, chocolate, cherry, or coffee, that is a characterizing flavor of the tobacco product or tobacco smoke. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is providing this notice to remind regulated industry that as of the effective date identified in the FSPTCA, cigarettes that contain certain characterizing flavors are considered adulterated under the act. FDA is also providing in this notice contact information to which individuals who observe violative products after the effective date of the tobacco standard special rule may report their observations to FDA.
DATES: Effective September 22, 2009.
ADDRESSES: To report tobacco products that fail to comply with section 907(a)(1)(A) of the act after September 22, 2009, please contact the Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, 9200 Corporate Blvd., Rockville, MD 20850-3229, 877-287-1373 or http://www.fda.gov/flavoredtobacco.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Michele Mital, Center for Tobacco Products, Food and Drug Administration, 9200 Corporate Blvd., Rockville, MD 20850-3229, 877-287-1373, Michele.Mital@fda.hhs.gov.
74 FR 48974 — Sep. 25, 2009 FDA source: http://www.FederalRegister.com or http://www.cyberregs.com/pub/cr/inside-cyberregs/ehs.htm
09/26/2009 at 12:51 pm
I am writing to inform you that I believe that my Constitutional Rights are being violated by the recent ban on Kreteks. I agree wholeheartedly that tobacco usage should continue to be regulated and NEVER sold to minors. However, clumping brands such as Djarum in a ban is ludicrous to say the least! Make the sale of these regulated to Liquor Stores and Smoke shops, which always check (and even scan) identification. An all out ban on this product makes no sense! If you say it’s a health issue, then ban ALL cigarettes… it’s like saying, you may consume rum, but not any produced in Jamaica or smoke any cigar but a Cuban!
I urge you to vote NO on S. 1147 aka the “PACT Act”
And I will produce a short narrative to explain my reasoning.
Let me preface this by stating that I do realize that smoking is dangerous to ones health. In fact, I have been in a tapering off progression towards quitting that has been working. I have been smoking Djarum Specials exclusively for nearly 10 years and was of legal age when I began. I have gone from more than a pack a day to less than 1/2 a pack a day (mostly due to the added taxes).
I usually purchase by the carton from the same gas station about a 20 minute drive from my house. Djarums are hard to find in the marketplace. Well since I have cut back it has been some time since I had made a purchase. Much to my dismay, I was informed that they were no longer able to order the only cigarette that I have or will ever smoke. This took me by surprise, I had no idea that I blanket ban was made. Panicked by addiction I drove to places that I knew sold them and alas, there was none to be found.
I finally tried searching the internet and found an online retailer. I was amazed by the amount of security is in place in order to place an order. They required a drivers license number, last 4 of social, address which was cross referenced… on top of that, for some reason my current address was not listed as primary so there were 4 additional questions that I had to answer that proved it was me… not only this, they require an adult signature upon delivery. They notified upon checkout that sadly, despite doing their due diligence in providing a secure check out system, that the government would likely be shutting them down.
Yes I plan on quitting, but I would like to do it on my terms! If any studies are done, I hope you note the longer burn time, as while lighting up with friends who smoke domestic brands, I would still be smoking the first one when they light up and nearly finish the second.
In fact, I will often smoke half, then save the second half for later. I smoke Djarum Specials which are never marketed especially to children! Plus they are considerably more expensive than cigarettes, and thus not going to be sought after by minors either.
Please forgive this long statement of my feelings and understand that it is wrong to blanket group an Indonesian Specialty Export and at the same time ignore domestic brands… it is hypocritical!
09/27/2009 at 2:16 pm
Wow… Yes, this definantly sucks. Like many of you i dont smoke anything, but Djarums, Specials to be exact. I’m definantly upset the we are apparently being punished for the lack of involvement of parents to explain to their children about the dangers of smoking, which I feel is pointless anyway. Everyone knows about the dangers of cigarettes. We are constantly reminded by the numerous “Truth” adds. With a completley different take on the situation, maybe this is something that will help me quit. I wont try anything else because i feel like regular cigs are too weak and horrible tasting. Feels like Obama is being a being a responsible parent and scolding me. “No!, those are bad for you!” taking away my dangerous toy. I know I still have the option of purchasing on line, but i dont think i’ll do that. Still, flavored cig banning was wrong. They were there for smokers who wanted a products that we enjoyed more or that made it easier for us to enjoy. Why not ban flavors for cough syrup, or chewable vitimans. What about alchohol? Sigh……… how lame.
09/28/2009 at 3:23 pm
The Djarum Special 12 pack of “cigars” is identical to Djarum Special 20 pack of kreteks. I’ve been a Djarum Special user for over 6 years and, although I’ve stopped smoking cigarettes and now use an e-cig, there is no discernible difference between the two (except the paper is slightly lighter in color). It’s just Djarum’s way of staying in the market. Really, try them. If there had been a smidge of difference, I’d have picked up on it immediately.
09/28/2009 at 7:31 pm
OMG, Ok ….I’m getting scared now. Yes, I know – too little ,too late.
I was buying carton’s of my beloved Djarum Specials at my local Sam’s Club ….the smart ass kid there kept telling me (every two weeks over the past summer) “Hey lady – you better start buying American Cigarettes- they are taking those off the market because they are reallllly bad for you” – To which I replied “Bullchit” !!
I would not buy into his scare tactics until I showed up two weeks ago and he said “you shoulda stocked up- we are not ALLOWED to order them any more” …..AAuugghhhh
I hate smart as* kids who are right!!
I , like most folks here, was under the impression that the “Obama ban” was for “cherry” cig’s …..
WTF?? Cloves ?? Come on now……..
I was/am a former Marlboro smoker- I smoked the cloves in the 80’s (I’m 45) when they were fashionable ….then throughout the ending of the 20th century – I bought and smoked them “on occasion” – I would keep them in the freezer, and use them as a “dessert” smoke.
About 2 yrs back – I quit my (ugh) Marlboro Habit- 3 months l8r ,I started back up with my beloved cloves. I prefer the specials as they burn verrrry slow , and I can make a carton last for 2 weeks – hence spending 50% less than I was with Phillip Morris. Plus the fact that they do not stink up my clothing /cars /or house like those stinking “Burrows” did – I can’t even be around peeps now who smoke “regular” cigs …..It makes me sick – and hurts my eyes.
What am I gonna do now …..?? My friendly guy that owns the local smoke shop (he charges me 74$ a carton—–Sam’s used to charge 63$)is oblivious ….I don’t think he knows the new law clearly ….because when I told him (yeah , I know – I’m too honest) – he said I could “buy all I want there” ….
But I don’t want to PAY almost 40$ @ week again to smoke ….has anybody found a good website to buy them from yet ?? Our beloved cloves….??
I noted the Specials were not offered in European smokeshops , but they instead have “clove brown paper” Djarum’s …and the packs only come 14 in a pack …..I have not gone as far as to order them ….but I am sure there are huge import fee’s as well……Are they even the same ciggerttes??
Helppppppppp
Let’s put out thinking caps on and come up with a plan! (that does not include the obvious ….quitting)
Thank you for the forum to vent
09/29/2009 at 5:14 pm
Come on guys…ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!!!! Just like:
Being told to pay more taxes
Being told what health care u will get
Being told how to raise ur children
Being told what car to drive
Being told u waste all resources
Being told u cant think for yourself
Being told u don’t know how to manage ur money
So just get over it. U all have no common sense and are altogether stupid. Same for ur kids. Obviously, that must be true or none of this would be necessary! Its for ur own good!
BTW…Anyone know a good site to order them from? U know…those evil cloves.
10/04/2009 at 3:49 am
What is so dumb above all things is that the ban on clove flavored djarums are to help prevent kids from smoking because of the attraction because of the flavor. Cough-Cough…….Have you ever hear any kid……wanting clove flavored anything?????? The most Stupid thing ive ever heard! Ok Chocolate-Vanilla-and Strawberry are ice cream flavors where I can see the connection…this…..this is just a stupid move by a stupid man. At least make the Ciggerettes that were banned avalible for online purchase, because if the kid is able to get gigs that ways then more money needs to be used to sterilize parents and starting with Obamas
10/08/2009 at 12:59 am
Has anyone found a secure site to purchase Djarum Specials from yet? I’ll just begin ordering online from now on, but I’d prefer a tested and recommended site? Any help would be appreciated.
10/08/2009 at 10:49 pm
This ban is not about caring for our sacred American youth if it was then dont you think thay would have banned all tabacco sales in the US. No this is once again the US government being swayed and controlled by the almighty doller American BIG tabacco was the biggest financial supporter of this bill why you ask, to push out all outside compitition so we are forced to start smoking there brands wich equales, you guessed it more dollers in there pocket. Im as American as thay come but it is time to take a stand we need to start a revolution this government is not controled by the PEOPLE as our forfathers would have hade it, it is controled by who ever has the most money to contribute to our elected officials and there campaignes or agendas. and more and more we are losing our rites read your Constitution and Bill of Rites and ask yourself how much more are we going to lose becouse thay are supposedly looking out for our best intrests and safty. If enough of us stand up and refuse to except this corporate dictatorship and say fuck you we want our cloves back among other things thay have to listen and if thay dont we throw them out of office ASAP!!!! We are the PEOPLE who make the rules not the greedy politions remeber that!!!
10/10/2009 at 9:24 pm
I am so angry I could spit!
FIRST they take our Djarum/cloves away…and then they make it illegal to order them from overseas as well!!!!
I ordered 3 cartons from overseas, only to be notified by customs in Ohio, that my package was going to be sent back because it was illegal to order cloves and have them brought into the states!!!
UNBELIEVEABLE!!! I THOUGHT I still lived in the good ole US of A. I guess I was wrong…we are turning into a communist country where we are told what we can or can’t eat, drink, smoke….and lord knows what else. WHAT HAPPENED to our RIGHT to make our own choices???????
The United States is going to hell in a handbasket. WE ARE IN MAJOR TROUBLE PEOPLE…. our very way of life, and living is at risk. You and I both know that it won’t stop at banning a select group of cigarettes.
SPEAK OUT…. raise a fuss, say: “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it!”
WE WANT OUT DJARUM/ CLOVE CIGARETTES BACK!!!!!!!
10/13/2009 at 1:34 am
this shit is fucking ridiculous. they were banned because they carry anti-american sentiments. i was always under the impression they were more dangerous to your health than other cigarettes too until recently when i realized that didn’t make any fucking sense and was total bullshit. fuck america and everyone involved in this stupid ass ban.
10/27/2009 at 2:40 pm
Elizabeth – the 12 cigars are NOT the same as the 20 pack of specials. I had some specials left from a cigar shop who continued to sell his inventory under the counter. We all took a taste test, and everyone could easily tell the difference. The only good thing is that the cigars burn longer, but they don’t taste as good.
10/27/2009 at 7:19 pm
I’m in NorCal & smoked Djarum Lights or Djarum Specials when Lights were unavailable. Now, they’re all unavailable. Boo-frickity-hoo!
And, yes, it’s sad. However, & luckily, here on my side of the pond there was an overlap in most smoke shops & some gas stations (petrol shops) from selling the standard Djarum 20-pack over to the Djarum Special “cigar” 12-pack, so I’ve never really been w/o some form of Djarum. Funny, one of the shops I frequent knows me as an avid Djarum smoker, so they saved me my Lights behind the counter. Then, when those ran out, I went to Djarum Bali Hai, which are very similar to the Lights. I tried the Djarum Black 12-pack…the flavour’s okay, but if I’m forced (which apparently I AM!), the Djarum cigars are pretty fkg close to the original Specials, so I can’t really complain that much. I empathize w/ all of you, though, how fascism seems to be becoming the norm w/ regulating what we are “allowed” to do/have/purchase, etc. Most specialty cigarette shops or “smoke” shops should have Djarum Special 12-pack cigars. They’re really no different from the original Specials: ever so slightly a bit wider (thicker) & the paper is slightly lighter in colour now. The taste is still the same, comparatively, but seem a bit stronger is all. So all you die-hard Kretek smokers should appreciate the Djarum “cigar” if & when you finally get the chance w/ them!
BTW: my lungs have never bled from smoking cloves…old wives tale? Hmmm…so yes, I was quite miffed at the fact our sweet Djarums were banned from our shops. Some of our local cig-shop owners tell me they will soon be selling all flavours (Supers, Lights, Cherry & Vanilla, etc…), but only in the “cigar” 12-pack form/varieties. Good Luck!
(Great blog!) Love, ~the doc.
10/29/2009 at 6:04 pm
I found many sites that sell Djarum that claim they ship them inconspicuosly, but I have yet to come across one that actually has Djarum Lights..the ONLY ones I smoke. I smoke a lousy 3-4 cigs a day, I have no other vices left in life since I am subject to random drug checks due to being on Percocet for chronic pain. All I want, as an ADULT living in a “free” country (yeah, right) is to be able to, smoke a f’n clove! Obama is a communist scum bag. Blaming the sweet flavor of cloves for kids smoking is bullshit. The first cig most of them pick up is a friggin’ Marlboro or Newport. And why not ban flavored alcohol since that is also sweet and enticing to the little bastards whom are taking away my right to a damn clove? They’re all out there slugging down Peach Schnapps and I can’t have a clove!
How about making parents of these little a-holes worry about how/why they get their smokes and drinks and deal with them accordingly and leave the adults to worry about their own lungs and livers?This ridiculousness has made me very angry and embarrased to be an American.
10/29/2009 at 7:29 pm
uuuummmm…odd…why aren’t I seeing my posts here? upon re-try, says “this is a duplicate, didn’t you already say this…” or something to that effect. Can someone tell me where they’re going, perhaps? I’d be very appreciative if ya would. Thanks!
10/29/2009 at 7:33 pm
Okay, I see THAT one…the one, but where’s the one that begins, “Ya know, the more I re-read this entire blog…” ??? Pasting it in doesn’t show up, but these little posts show up. (I’ll stop complaining in a sec, just as soon as I figure this out…) Sorry guys.
10/29/2009 at 7:35 pm
(So, maybe puting it in a piece at a time works? Let’s see…) Ya know, the more I re-read this entire blog & familiarize myself to the current atmosphere & climate w/in, the more I’m beginning to understand that this is about so much, MUCH more than our succulent, sweet little kreteks being held captive in some bureaucratic bstrd’s fat back-pocket: “America Hates You.” That’s what smells bad, & so does his fat back. (more to follow…)
10/29/2009 at 7:37 pm
(yep, that works; cont’d from above…): Is this what the USGov’t is slowly, ‘antagonizingly’ forcing me to believe? Is alienation what I am now reduced to in my so-called “free,” “freedom of speech,” “freedom of choice,” “right to bear arms,” “FREE” country? Christ-on-his-throne-NO! …ahhh…but yes–yes, indeed. See, here’s how it works: I have the right to carry a possible MURDER WEAPON, but no, I’m not allowed to buy a box of cloves. Oh, oh, AND OH! My MARIJUANA is medicinally LEGAL while toting my SNIPER RIFLE, but, no, I AM STILL NOT ALLOWED to buy a box of cloves. OH!!!! & OHHHH!!!! My 19-year-old sweetheart of a son can waltz into the local tobacco & gun combo-shop, purchase the mind-fkg SALVIA herb, register for, purchase & carry a LETHAL TEN-GAUGE SHOTGUN, get a prescription by a MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL for NORTHERN LIGHTS & PURPLE URKLE, buy a carton of Marlboros, drive to Las Vegas, Nevada where he can, at whim, LEGALLY pay for SEX, GAMBLE up a storm & consume FREE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES all night long & for weeks on end, IF he has the mind to, & all the while, in his hotel room bedside table in the top drawer is the HOLY BIBLE telling him he’s sinning & will be condemned forever & ever to hell for doing all the above, yet I AM STILL NOT ALLOWED TO BUY A SINGLE CLOVE CIGARETTE! However, I AM allowed to purchase a box of Djarum Specials 12-pack CIGARS, which, by the way, are MADE FROM THE EXACT SAME INGREDIENTS AS MY ORIGINAL DJARUM SPECIALS! (…what?)
(more to follow…)
10/29/2009 at 7:42 pm
(& lastly, but not leastly…): …uh, yah…rrrriiiiigggggghhhhhhhtt… Smart thinkin’ USA-Gov’t! Reeeaaaal smart. ARE THEY ALL BRAINLESSLY INSANE IN WASHINGTON DC??? …you know…that place where they voted out “flavoured” cigarettes? oops! guess they all forgot about the 12-pack Djarum cigars which really aren‘t cigars. Dolts, the lot of ‘em.
BTW: The sniper rifle may have been a bit of an exaggeration, but you get the gist. And on top of it all, Djarums contain a botanical ingredient called eugenol (aka: myrrh), which is one of three gifts given to Holy Baby Hay-Soos, so says the Holy Baby Bible.
Also, BTW: I found this private blog, if anyone’s interested. (I guess I’m the only one to post to the dude’s Djarum topic thus far):
http://rhapsodiclaviathan.blogspot.com/2009/07/no-more-djarums.html?showComment=1256821890250#c134023395589901618
Djarum rules,
~the doc.
OH!! ps: including this one, eight posts up (by Ed), QUESTION — has anyone contacted Ed seeking his secret holy stash of Djarum-all-kinds yet, & if so, what was the outcome?
(here, at the end, I had a Happy Halloweenie wish w/ a URL leading you all to a cute little treat [not trick!] & I think THAT’S what prevented my post from posting; it was a tiny falpping bat…darn these odd restrictions!) So Happy Halloweenie, & here’s a bunny instead (hahahaha!!)
Look! It’s a bunny!
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11/02/2009 at 9:19 pm
I too came across Djarum Black clove cigarettes and was confused as to why I could not get and answer as to why the Black was no longer being sold? I had to google to find out the answer. I agree with your basic observations and warning to Americans to get involved with government and how it works. I don’t know whether or not we will at least have online access to it [no FDA bans that I am aware of], but I know is that my representatives that voted on this piece of legislation will here from me. I know that I encourage all Djarum Black smokers, all “flavored” cigarette smokers, any smoker who agrees with my/our disgust and disappointment in banning the sale and distribution of Djarum Black, to google this bill and contact your representative on this bill (a short email will do) congratulate them for voting NO. or ask to register a complaint about them voting YES. Also let them know that you want the ban on Djarum Black clove cigarettes removed. The truth of this matter is that we could go back and forth by posting and reading comments about this ban, but it’s banned! This ban can only be removed by law, so start googling this ban and contact your rep! By the way, I am trying out other Djarum clove cigarette, my preference still remains the Black.
11/04/2009 at 11:00 am
I am actually doing a project on Tobacco and it’s Effects. I thought I would share this information with the Clove Cigarette lovers.
Clove cigarettes
1. Contain about 40 percent ground cloves (a spice) and about 60 percent tobacco.
2. Many users mistakenly believe these products are made entirely of ground cloves and that smoking them eliminates the risks associated with tobacco
3. Clove cigarettes contain higher levels of tar, nicotine and carbon monoxide than regular cigarettes
4. The numbing effect of eugenol, the active ingredient in cloves allows smokers to inhale deeper
11/04/2009 at 6:09 pm
Hi Ms. Bey:
Once you have a chance to read through all of the posts w/in this blog, I trust you’ll find that many acknowledge & accept & some even acclaim to all four points you bring up in your post. Speaking personally, I’ve known that kreteks are not only made of ground/powdered cloves, but, as well, made up of shredded tobacco. I really don’t think the folks here ever believed they were smoking cigarettes purely made up of 100% cloves. At least that’s my take on many who’ve posted here. We’re all adults here, yes? Thus, I’m certain we all know that smoking ANYTHING is not all too healthy of an act. Those of us that do smoke cloves or otherwise, simply choose to do so & are a bit ticked off that our gov’t has somehow found a way to thwart our right to chose.
Good luck on your project!
~the doc.
11/04/2009 at 6:17 pm
Hi dblbass!
Guess what? I just bought a 12-pack of Djarum Bali Hai “cigars”!!! Currently, I can only find these at my local tobacco shop. They are very much the same as the old Bali Hai smokes except they are wider & the paper is brown. I think you just might like ‘em. Good luck on finding them in your neck o’ the woods!
Cheers!
~the doc.
ps: tell me, has anyone found the 12-pack Djarum “cigars” in your area?
11/07/2009 at 5:37 pm
Has anyone found a site overseas to purchase cloves and had them be successfully delivered?
11/09/2009 at 9:36 am
Good question, discorati. I have found a number of sites claiming that while purchasing true clove cigarettes in the US is illegal, purchasing from overseas sites is not, according to the new law. All ship in “discreet packaging” as well. Disturbingly, though, most offer a “Bali” payment method that involves using your credit card to pay via a site meant for prepay for Bali and Indonesian hotels and businesses by way of the Australia National Bank. A little too roundabout and under the proverbial table for me.
For reference, you can check out a few here: http://www.clovecigarettesstore.com, http://clovecigaretteshop.com, and http://www.clovecigarettesonline.com. (Be sure to read the info under the Payment heading of each.)
I am appalled that cloves and a small handful of other imports were targeted by this bill while domestic flavored tobaccos were left on the shelves. As has been stated by others over and over again, cloves are by far not an instigator for youth smoking. The blatant favoritism and obvious violation of the WTO is more than galling.
There is a smoke shop local to me that carries the new “clove cigars,” including Specials, Black (in 3 forms), and Bali Hai. The tobacco has changed to cigar style instead of the usual cigarette tobacco, which greatly overwhelms the lesser amount of included clove. Also, for those of us who smoked Djarum Specials, there is no longer the addition of flavor to the filter, which leaves a major taste difference. The taste is nowhere near the same, and neither is the smell.
In a country where we are supposed to be free to choose for ourselves, and where (it has been pointed out quite…shall we say?…thoroughly) we have an enormous menu of items with which to kill ourselves at whatever pace we so choose, it amazes me that one tiny sector of said items has been targeted for removal. Most studies peg us at comprising 0.4% of all tobacco users. Seems a huge effort – almost 2 months of Congressional debate and endless rewrites to come to the final form of this law – to inconvenience a miniscule sect of the American public and one giant, uninvolved-in-the-conflict-of-the-moment overseas corporation. It makes me think that we were the test group. How much fallout has the government seen from us, and, in light of this lack, what larger subject will they choose to tackle next?
11/09/2009 at 10:07 am
BTW, here is a link to the general rules and regs regarding tobacco imports. Figured anyone trying to order online would appreciate it, instead of having to dig through the bureaucracy. Looks like anyone who had their shipment returned is having issues with state laws, not national.
http://www.ttb.gov/tobacco/faq_answers.shtml
Also, Alertpay, as mentioned above, is just the new PayPal. You can check it out here: https://www.alertpay.com/
11/10/2009 at 2:59 pm
I am equally pissed about the ban of the “flavored cigarettes”!!! I have been an avid smoker of the Cloves for 2 years now and love them. Yes they have come out with the Clove “cigars” and I find it hard to believe that they could be anything close to the “original” Clove cigarettes. Smoked them and they indeed taste like a cigar to me. Don’t smell as strong as they did, don’t taste the same, don’t crackle when you smoke them…just not the same! I spend $7.90 per pack on the Cloves and have not ever seen a younger person smoke them, unless they got one from someone to try. It is my opinion that people that smoke the cloves are from a different type of smoking circle..those who have some knowledge of cigars and tasty tobacco products and search out new and different types of tobacco products. The whole ban is just stupid. I guess it boils down to someone telling me what kind of cigarettes I can and cannot smoke!
11/17/2009 at 4:54 am
I prefer the Djarum Super above all Djarum products. I ordered a carton from Clovecigaretteshop.com The package was discretely wrapped and passed customs with no problems. I live in California. It took about a week for delivery. I actually prefer the Indonesian cloves over the ones they made for the US. I am happy with my purchase, and am ordering again tomorrow.
11/18/2009 at 12:58 am
I only smoke the special and especially the GOLD i have searched and searched the Internet and can not fine a website that sells the special our the gold if anyone comes across them for import please post i e-maild the djarum company to find out a website that exports to are country but they have not gotten back to me i really feel let down buy the republicans on this one usually they stand up in cases like this but 79 yes votes in the senate to ban thes when the Dem’s only….hm have a 60 seat majority 59 at the time the bill passed.again if anyone does come across a website that sell the special and the gold please post.
Thanks!
11/18/2009 at 1:35 am
DjarumGOLD….try this UK site:
http://uk.tobaccoonline.co.uk/product.asp?subcat=DJARUM&sm=S
11/18/2009 at 10:13 am
Ok…I have smoked specials for 25 years, off and on. In the late 1980’s, they were banned for about a year due to the fiberglass which is what made lungs bleed. When they came back, fiberglass free, lungs stopped bleeding. I never had the issue as I didn’t ever smoke too much as a teenager. I like Djarum specials because they don’t smell horrible. I do a lot of road trips and they keep me awake by giving me something to do. I am appauled at the ban…especially since Djarum does NO advertising. Kids need to be taught just like we were that smoking is bad and then make their own decisions. There is no reason for this ban except that the government wants to control something else. Believe me…as a parent of a teenager…if my son decided to start smoking….he wouldn’t care what he smoked as long as his friends thought he was cool doing it. That’s where the government needs to focus….hanging out with the right crowds!
11/19/2009 at 4:45 am
Random tidbit, but the Djarum Cigars aren’t all that bad, heh heh heh… they taste very similar, the only thing I don’t like is the smell they leave on your hands, and they aren’t quite as flavorful, but they are nice.
11/19/2009 at 4:56 am
WHAT CAN WE DO? I HAVE BEEN SMOKING DJARUM SPECIAL FOR OVER 15 YEARS IM JUST AS HEALTHY AS THE NEXT GUY. I REFUSE TO REPLACE THEM WITH ANY OTHER CIGGAR AND I REALLY DONT WANT TO QUIT. ANY SUGGESTIONS ANYONE? IS IT POSSIBLE,, VOTING TIME AROUND.. THE ATTEMPT TO ACQUIRE MAJORITY VOTES, TO LEGALIZE FLAVORED CIGGARS? I WAS UNAWARE OF ACT AGAINST FLAVORED CIGGARS!
11/19/2009 at 11:54 am
anyone looking for djarum blacks let me know at lightning2819@aol.com and i could help you out. thanks
11/19/2009 at 6:35 pm
liz….flavored cigars aren’t illegal to sell in the U.S.
11/19/2009 at 7:54 pm
Well, short of sucking it up and doing nothing about it and buying cloves overseas, you can protest, start a petition, or, since this is the ultra-litigious good old USA, you can always file a class action descrimination lawsuit against whatever jackasses that banned the sale of cloves in US. If I had any real knowledge of how any of these things get going, I’d start it up, but hey, I’m always willing to join in
)
11/24/2009 at 4:16 pm
a Djarum Black was the first cigarette i had ever smoked and instantly fell in love im very pissed that they are banned i have been searching for the longest time to find them had no clue there was a bann about to take effect
all i want is some cloves
11/25/2009 at 1:55 pm
I bought a pack of the cigars (blacks, regular) yesterday, and must say they’re not bad. They’re a little too strong to belt and inhale to your toes like I want to-but you can get some good tobacco and clove flavor and enjoy on he palette and then inhale some smoke in smaller amounts to savor. $8.01 with tax for a pack of 12, but one cigar lasted for at least 15 minutes, perhaps 18. It was satisfying, but I’m still going to try to mail order some kreteks. Anyone else try the cigars?
11/26/2009 at 8:24 pm
Dear Obama: Thanks for caving on the ‘flavored cigs act’…’sans menthol’. By the way, don’t you smoke!!!
I voted for you, I believed in you, I hung a sign outside that said “Yes We Can” Now I am going to put a giant one up that say’s “Oh No You Didn’t”!!!
Sorry for the anger, but this is just a stupid moronic focus for our leaders. Why not ban some dumb bank charges that are more likely to give me a heart attack!!! Djarum smokers unite!!!!!!
12/01/2009 at 1:21 am
@Jo: I actually got the cigars as well but I must say I do not enjoy them nearly as much. The more I’ve smoked them the more I’ve noticed how much the smell sticks to you. I hate smelling like burnt tobacco.
12/02/2009 at 1:32 pm
So a local tobacco shop was hoarding for me and I was buying the cartons of Djarum Special at $70 a carton, and the owner said he would be able to continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Then Tuesday I go in and he says an ignorant clerk put them out on the display shelf and they of course sold out.
So I’m buying one last carton of Djarum Specials from Ed today. He answered quickly and the arrangements were conveniently made. But paying $140 for a carton makes it official, I have lost my mind. Especially since he offered them for $115 yesterday.
Going to order the 510 and give it a try.
The new cigars are not like the old cigarettes. The cigarettes were rolled in paper, the cigars are rolled in tobacco leaves. As such they have a strong and harsh cigar smell that pervades your skin and clothes.
What a pain in the ass.
There is a website in the UK http://spain.tobaccoonline.co.uk/buy-cigars/djarum-m-875.html that seems to sell the Blacks, Specials and Supers at about $85 a carton with $22 shipping and handling.
12/07/2009 at 1:16 am
The simple fact us that this republic no longer works. Do we really know our leaders, do we really know who and why these decisions are be made/by? The moral majority is whom? We are not free any longer, we are not intelligent enough to decide for ourselves. Why is this all happening because our society is a bunch of whiny babies, suing tobacco companies for money, not because they deceived so many, but because we can. We are a backward community and our government is simply falling suit.
12/07/2009 at 10:37 pm
Has anybody successfully ordered and received a shipmant of cloves from Indonesia? I am tempted to order some…it is pretty pathetic that my stupid cloves make me feel like I am ordering heroin….ridiculous..Just curious though, there has got to be a way around this OBAMA S*** decision!
12/08/2009 at 7:50 am
Diddy…..I bought a carton of the Djarum Supers from http://www.Clovecigaretteshop.com They came directly from Indonesia, and passed through customs with no hassles. I live in California. The shipping took about a week. The cigarettes were better than the ones that used to be available domestically, in my opinion. They had a better taste, I feel. I am ordering again in 2 days. The total cost for the carton of ten packs of 16 clove cigarettes was $49.50. That cost includes factoring in the trackable shipping cost. A pretty damn good price, if you ask me. Sure as hell beats the $120.00 to $150.00 per carton that Ed is charging……what a joke!!
12/08/2009 at 8:04 am
Diddy…. I also just found this answer from Yahoo answers at http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091102235043AAdJyzs
“it is NOT illegal to by clove cigarettes from overseas & have them mailed to you. have done it very easily, cheaply & quickly several times recently. the law states it is only illegal to purchase or sell “flavored” cigarettes in the U.S.
my packages have made it through customs, because they are marked as a “gift”, and valued at less than $100.
my supplier, clovecigaretteshop.com (indonesia), has been FANTASTIC. huge variety, and the overall cost (even with smaller orders) actually saves me probably at least 1/4 of the cost per month over what i was paying buying them in the U.S. (huge taxes here in cali). did 4 smooth transactions with my credit/debit card, and the associated shipping/billing fees are worth it in my opinion (so far). usually takes only 7-10 days from the time i order, till they’re at my doorstep.
packs are smaller quantities (12-16 per pack, which helps me smoke less, lol), but the quality is great.
”
Source(s):
clovecigaretteshop.com
12/20/2009 at 7:25 pm
I bought 2 cartons Djarum Black from http://www.salecheapcigarettes.com and arrived on 7 days. I recommed for everyone.
12/22/2009 at 3:00 pm
Do not try ordering from Ed. He request for a paypal payment which was not realistic. After we agree to COD, I suggested that we speak on the telephone and when he phoned he thought I was someone else and proceeded to talk about a different deal and that the only had x number left which was weird because she promised that amount to me. Anyway, after I reminded him of our email conversation, he refocused again. 10 days later, still nothing in the mail. I believe he is a major spam artist because he posts on Craigslist in other cities claiming he is local when he is not. Avoid doing business with Ed.
12/23/2009 at 1:02 pm
Label/Receipt Number: XXXX XXXX XXXX X
Class: Express Mail International®
Status: Inbound Out of Customs
Your item cleared United States Customs at 5:42 AM on December 23, 2009. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
To Ed:
I ordered another carton from http://www.Clovecigaretteshop.com and they will be arriving tomorrow, and cleared customs with no problem. My hunches about you seem to be true as revealed by the above poster. Nice try in attempting to debunk what I was saying earlier and trying to rip people off.
Below are the details from the USPS site:
Label/Receipt Number: XXXX XXXX XXXX X
Class: Express Mail International®
Status: Inbound Out of Customs
Your item cleared United States Customs at 5:42 AM on December 23, 2009. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
Detailed Results:
Inbound Out of Customs, December 23, 2009, 5:42 am
Inbound Into Customs
Inbound International Arrival, December 23, 2009, 12:06 am, ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS)
12/23/2009 at 1:27 pm
I’m going to note this now: I do not support using my blog as a place to do “private sale” because I don’t want the people who come to it to get ripped off. I will delete any posts that attempt to do this. If you list credible SITES that is fine…
ie: http://www.clovecigaretteshop.com
Which seems to be credible as multiple people have given me reports of their success in obtaining their cloves from this site and reasonably priced.
12/23/2009 at 6:47 pm
I buy a carton Djarum Black from this site http://www.theclovecigarettes.com
The prices is cheap and reasonable, without low order fee or credit card covered fee is still cheap.
12/24/2009 at 3:47 am
I have taken the time to read through every post, rant, etc on here and checked every site/link that was offered; however, I am still unsure if purchasing my wonderful Djarum Blacks on-line/overseas is illegal. Some of you were saying yes, others no while most either didn’t care or don’t. I feel the same as Diddy “I am tempted to order some…it is pretty pathetic that my stupid cloves make me feel like I am ordering heroin….ridiculous.”
I have tried other cigarettes from Palmal(sp?) to Marlboro even menthol’s in a multitude of brands. The majority of the time I could not finish the pack and often found them to be harsher & caused me to cough more. The saddest part, or so I feel, is that when I found a pack I was able to smoke, I found myself smoking more and purchasing a pack more often than I ever did with my cloves.
I did not and do not smoke them more because I enjoy them because I do not. When I purchased the Djarum Blacks I would smoke 1 to 2 cigarettes a day where I am going through 5+ now. It all makes me very sad but I do not want to illegally purchase my precious cloves. I have looked around my area in the stores that once sold Blacks, and they are not/do not carry the cigars. I guess in the end my question is does anyone HONESTLY know if it is against the law to buy Djarum Black (cigarettes not cigars) via on-line & have them imported over to the US?
12/24/2009 at 10:13 am
From: http://www.govtrack.us/users/questions.xpd?topic=bill:h111-1256
“The new regulation has ban clove cigarettes to be distributed in all states but you can still purchase them online since the law addresses the sale of these cigarettes ONLY in the US. The law also doesn’t ban private citizens from possessing and smoking the clove cigarettes. You just cannot find and buy them on your local store.”
Got to: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-1256
and read the law for yourself to see if you can find anywhere it states online purchasing of clove cigarettes is illegal.
12/26/2009 at 2:53 pm
Woot! Just got my delivery of a case of Djarum Super from http://www.clovecigaretteshop.com ! I had run out and was smoking those rank cigars. Ahhhhh…..the sweet clove goodness of the Supers direct from Indo.
12/29/2009 at 6:08 pm
I was surprised as well. I had no idea that there was a bill passed, but then again I don’t follow politics. Now I’m not a heavy smoker, I usually only smoke during social situations, but I found that the clove cigarettes are easier to smoke than regular tobacco. Like so many of you it irritates the throat and it’s just too harsh. Menthols? Yeah I tried those, but it’s still the same. I usually smoke the Djarum Gold or Vanilla as the taste is quite delicious, but where can you buy them overseas? I’ve tried the websites that you guys posted on here, but none of them have the brand that I smoke. If anyone wants to help a fellow clove lover out I sure could use it finding Djarum Vanilla or Gold.
12/31/2009 at 11:43 am
So I did a bit more searching and found the Djarum Vanilla cigarillos at: http://www.ryocigarette.com/c-dj-vanilla.html
It’s currently $39.99 for a carton. I placed an order today to be shipped UPS Ground. Payment was quick and easy as it was via CC over the internet. I’ll let you know if all goes well.